A conversation with Jen Hartmann
41 min. Recorded on 21 September 2021.
Jen is pretty much ok with all the traditional pronouns, but prefers he/him. He is non-binary and also identifies as bigender. Find out what that means to Jen in this episode.
We also talk about growing up with a very gendered language, being expected to fit into cultural and gendered stereotypes, disrupting the fashion industry and the future of innovation, how clothes are an integral part of gender expression, navigating entrepreneurship and the challenges that come with doing your own thing, surrendering to divine timing, and that one size does not fit all.
“My energy is very different when I wear male clothes and when I feel that I might be read more male, and I feel more empowered. But oddly enough I also feel more empowered in that sense when I’m presenting very very femme…when I wear like a really sexy body-hugging dress that is totally over-the-top female, it empowers me too.”
TRANSCRIPT [expand to read] – COMING SOON
“I’m Jen and I’m a non-binary fashion designer and radical Faerie. My label is called Baal and works with and on a new size system for the transfemale community. Also, I am the founder of the Jender podcast and the co-founder of the queer blog and event calendar outbutin. In my creative work, I often use the principle of subtle asymmetry, which makes people’s heads turn without them knowing why. 🙂“